In November 2024, PhD student Marion Grimberg and podcast host Friederike Brinker travelled to Lagos, Nigeria, to talk about skin tone differentiation. We dedicated an entire week of events to this topic and, of course, we wanted you to be able to join the conversation. So, we recorded a podcast episode during our workshop for wome*n called “Living in your own skin”. For the podcast we conducted our usual interview with a scientist (in this case: three scientists), and also included shorter interviews with workshop participants who shared their personal experiences with skin tone differentiation. We have split the episode in two parts, this is the second part.
In this episode we discuss the connections between skin tone and class, the connections between skin tone and gender as well as how the skin of our researchers influences their work.
Content note: Our guests also speak about their personal experiences with colorism and racism.
00:00:00-Intro
00:01:20-Workshop participant
00:04:30-Class
00:10:00-Wealth and work
00:16:00-Historical perspective
00:21:20-Entertainment industry
00:23:20-Gender and skin tone
00:27:15-Interviewing, researching
00:40:00-Panel discussion
00:41:00-Workshop participants
Our Interviewees are:
Marion Grimberg, PhD Student and Social and Cultural Anthropologist at the CRC 1482 Human Differentiation is researching skin tone differentiation in Nigeria and Germany.
Olabanke Goriola, PhD Student in Performance Studies at Northwestern University is researching colorism among dark-skinned female Nigerian dancers.
This podcast also includes shorter interviews with participants of our workshop “Living in your own skin”.
If you want to learn more about this topic, we recommend:
- Watching our Melanin Matters panel discussion, which is available on YouTube
- Watching the Nigerian documentary “Skin” by Beverly Naya on YouTube
- Following our experts on Instagram:
Marion Grimberg @marion_grimberg
Olabanke Goriola @de.va.nie
Dr. Folakemi Cole-Adeife @foladermadoc
This episode was created in cooperation with the Goethe-Institut Nigeria.
To learn more about out work follow us on Instagram and Bluesky.
Host: Friederike Brinker (Sonderforschungsbereich 1482 Humandifferenzierung)
Producer: Ayooluwa Samuel (Reverb), Christian Albrecht (Zentrum für audiovisuelle Produktion)
Assistant: Tamara Vitzthum (Sonderforschungsbereich 1482 Humandifferenzierung)
The CRC Human Differentiation is part of the Johannes Gutenberg-Universität Mainz and the Leibniz-Institut für Europäische Geschichte.
Feedback, questions or suggestions? Send me an e-mail: sfb1482.kommunikation@uni-mainz.de
Foto: Marion Grimberg: Stephanie Füssenich, Olabanke Goriola: Private